Stripped

[DamascusSteel]

[dream in japanese]

[Narbus]

[Brooklin Matt]

[dream in japanese]

i know that the old lady really isn't kicking the child but i still don't find it funny...

[Gimme_Shelter]

i found it funny because i thought she really was kicking a child.

[Narbus]

[starvingeyes]

[Narbus]

[starvingeyes]

no, you are wrong.

society [ read: the majority ] does not define right and wrong. society defines what they believe to be right and wrong.

point in case: southern america prior to the civil war believed slavery was right. therefore, society made up a bunch of laws permitting it.

society was wrong.

so your argument is that "society" makes morality, so in a society where murder was permitted, murder would be right "in that society"

but do YOU think murder is right? why?

my philosophy is called objectivism. my morality stems from an objective observation of the real world around me. i do not concern myself with petty pondering of useless things or respecting the opinions and beliefs of others. i only look at what is real, that is, what can be seen and heard and felt etc. and what can be PROVED.

if a murder, that is, the unprovoked killing of an innocent person, is wrong in one society, then IT MUST be wrong in all others, elsewise there is no morality. if your morals are fluid then you cannot say if something is EVER right or wrong, only that it "depends".

[Narbus]

[Brooklin Matt]

[Brooklin Matt]

[mosaik]

[Narbus]

[starvingeyes]

narbus, you've got an awfully big mouth for somebody who is clearly dodging the issue.

as i have pointed out 12-15 times already, all you are arguing is that different people believe different things to be right.

thanks, captain obvious.

of course different people believe different things are right and wrong. this is not exactly rocket science.

however, you go on further to say that because they believe it, and because there are alot of them, then it becomes right. this is not correct.

morality is like math. no matter how many people team up and declare 2+2 = 5, the fact remains that it is 4.

no majority can rightfully vote away the rights of other people, like the nazi's and southern slave owners did. just because they believed it was right did not make it right. just because the nazi's, and there were alot of them, believed hitler was right and that jews were inferior people deserving of death did not make it true.

you have avoided answering several questions here, including my request to find out where you stand on the right/wrong issue of murder, and my request to find out whether or not you believed black people to be inferior to the slave owners of the deep south.

do you

1. think murder is right or wrong?
2. think jews deserved death in nazi germany?
3. think black people are inferior to white slave owners?

[Narbus]

[Brooklin Matt]

[mosaik]

[liam]