you are losing the war

[mosaik]

You're gonna see what you see
No matter what I'm gonna tell you about it here
You're going to one way believe it
See what you see no matter
What i'm gonna tell you 'bout it now
You're going to one way believe

- Acres, "One Way Believe"

I like that expression. Anyway, here's a bunch of lies and mistruths about the war on iraq:

And now the truth


Now I know you people will be saying that "that's bullshit! if it doesn't come from the DOD endorsed amerikan news outlets it is fabricated!" so i will add a heavy dose of credibility: on 20 march your government reported that it had captured Umm Qasr and had the surrender of over 8000 iraqi troops, the entire 51st infantry.

Notice that the intial report was "8000 surrender" and it then melted into "2000 surrender and the rest ran away".

And what did it end up being? The rest are still fighting.

Oh the DOD is so smart! They somehow thought that 8,000 angry iraqis who were shooting at them surrendered!

The best part: The russian website had that information on 20 march, the same day your government was lying about what was happening in the gulf. Right now I trust russian intelligence reports infinitely more then i do CNN. Now for more links!







Here's one from one of YOUR sources:

Check that one out.

More to follow. Now come on and tell me how you still one way believe your government masters. Wave your flags for me a little bit more.[/url]

[Bandalero]

[mosaik]

[Bandalero]

[Ray 2]

Realize that every country has its own interests here; Russia, France, Germany, between oil agreements with Iraq and a good-sized Muslim populations, are against this war for that reason. The politicians know that they'll lose favor and end up losing power if they do this, not to mention the cheaper oil. America's in the war for oil, too -- as well as a vendetta, and a political combover for George W to get through the next election. And, we're also attempting to democracize another country. And, at the same time, we're also removing the biggest pain in the ass in modern history, Saddam Hussein, ending some crimes against humanity, and avoiding what may have been an eventual strike down the line against other countries. God knows if Saddam had started to raid another country, everyone would scream for the US to police them... we're being proactive, instead. Preventing a fire instead of fighting it. Russia knows they wouldn't be attacked, so does France and Germany. They're on good terms with Saddam.

Everything you read from any news source nowadays is propaganda. It is only when you weigh both sides of the propaganda -- whether it is for the war, or against the war, and come up with what you yourself feels has more of a balance to it, that you can claim your own feelings on the war. Until then, you're simply pulling out the shit that someone out there taught you to pull out. The information that you spew is information without education, also known as useless waste of thought.

Or, as Piebald so eloquently puts it...

"Hey! You're part of it!"

It's shit like this that has broken my "American Heart".

[areusad831]

what war?

[happening fish]

Losing? Hell, they were losing before they started.

[Venom]

[Axtech]

Losing doesn't necessarily mean being "beaten" by Iraq. Losing could simply mean losing so many lives without a just cause (which is [somewhat] what Alex believes, regardles of what you think).

Maybe instead of insulting people you should learn to read between the lines a little. I mean, saying something in one sentance doesn't make it any less valid. Perhaps it would have made sense to ask her what she meant before jumping all over her...

[liam]

we're still gonna win

[areusad831]

[Johnny]

[dumbandjaded13]

[Narbus]

[liam]

[mosaik]

whatever narbus. you can't susbstansiate that and you know it.

and i'm not the one who can't see anything except for the huge flag that i am always waving.

[Narbus]

...

Okay. Seriously.

You are so wrapped up in your anti-USA glory that you've been defending Saddam Hussein. You refuse to see the world in anything beyond black and white, you are so bound up in your "objectivist" philosophy that you're no longer objective, which does actually make me laugh.

You wave your flags just as much as anyone else, and if it doesn't fit into your completely impractical religion then you just wish it away. Don't bullshit me.

[happening fish]

[mosaik]

[liam]