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Postby Korzic » 12/30/2005, 8:47 am

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Let's take a simpler example.

15 years ago Town A has population 100 and a metro area of 1km². 5 people are murdered in Town A,

Today Town A is now a City with a 100000 people. 100 people are murdered in a 100km² area.

In which instance is Town A safer? Simply because in a random act of senseless violence some poor kid gets blown away in front of a hundred people, while sad, does not make some place automatically an unsafe area. If your city grows, of course there's going to be more violence, there's more people! That's logic! It doesn't take a scientist to work it out. If violent crime is on the decrease, how does that make Toronto any less safe to live in? In all respects shouldn't that make it safer?

I'm not proving points about violence in Toronto. I'm proving points about violence in general. If the general trend in violent crimes is downwards... why does that make some place less safe than 10 years ago?

Hope for humanity all you like, but be pragmatic about it, not naive. Utopia does not exist because it cannot exist because of human nature. Accept that there are bad people in society. Hoping that the whole world will get together in a group hug singing kum-ba-yah is neither productive nor realistic.
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Postby BOAT » 12/30/2005, 9:18 pm

you just don't get it... and at this point you'll never understand what I mean. So forget it.

imagining the world rejoicing as ONE species in the glory of BEING not only is productive, it's more realistic than you understand.

The original human nature is not to kill... human nature is to experience Love.

Like I said a few times before...Babies are born with 2 fears: fear of loud noises and the fear of falling... everything else is taught.

My vision does not make me naive.

Don't be a part of the problem and imagine a world doomed to fall.

Like Ghandi said... Be the change you want to see in the world...

be the hope of humanity.

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Postby reza » 12/30/2005, 9:30 pm

I think it's just the conservative media trying to instill fear among us. If you look at the stats crime hasn't changed much around the past ten years or so.

How can we improve the situation? My solution is to decriminalize! Then they'll have less to fight over.
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Postby Korzic » 12/31/2005, 1:05 am

frogger wrote:I think it's just the conservative media trying to instill fear among us. If you look at the stats crime hasn't changed much around the past ten years or so.

How can we improve the situation? My solution is to decriminalize! Then they'll have less to fight over.


Thats the worst response I've ever heard. DEcriminalistaion will lead to numerous other problems that junkies usually overlook.

Back to Kruno though.

Violence is usually caused by emotions. Emotions are part of who we are. Emotions aren't taught, they are part of us. Its usually emotions of anger and fear and other such fun things that lead to violence. No I don't believe this world is doomed to fall simple becuase some poor girl got blown away. I don't believe however that we can all group hug and everything iwll be alright because there will ALWAYS be violence. Lets not beat about the bush.

When was the last time you got angry? Can you say to me that you've never been angry in your life before? How about jealous? Ever covetted something that wasn't yours? Been envious perhaps? All of these emotions have the ability to bring out violence in someone. If you are emotionally dead then perhaps you can live in a peaceful world but it would be dull as hell. if you can control your emotions excellent I'm happy for you. But in the heat of the moment I'll bet somewhere in your 25 years you've lost control. Everyone has, its part of being human whether you like it or not. And its because of this that violence will alwauys be with us.
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Postby don't ask why » 1/1/2006, 8:26 pm

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Postby closeyoureyes » 1/22/2006, 4:24 pm

I have to completely agree with Campbell on this one. Violence will always be there. It is deeprooted in our culture to the beginning of time. Love can't cure human nature.

If you put Toronto, a city of its size, up against other similarly sized cities, you'll see MUCH more than 78 murders a year.
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Postby nikki4982 » 1/23/2006, 6:55 am

Sinead... agreed with... Campbell... oh my god... the world is ending... everything... everything is backwards. Down is up, up is down. Oh my head. *faints*

*snaps outta it*

On a related note, I saw on the news a few nights ago that Philly's murder rate is extremely high right now. To put the Toronto situation into a little bit of perspective (maybe?), there were 380 murders in Philadephia in 2005. On January 15th, we'd already had 15 murders in 2006... that's a murder a day (more than that last year). And, for the record, I feel perfectly safe going there.
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Postby Soozy » 1/23/2006, 1:49 pm

Yeah right you do - especially at 2am when the streets are deserted and you have to link arms with everyone and skip in the hope that that will keep crazy people away :p
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Postby Johnny » 1/23/2006, 2:02 pm

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Postby nikki4982 » 1/23/2006, 2:24 pm

Soozy wrote:Yeah right you do - especially at 2am when the streets are deserted and you have to link arms with everyone and skip in the hope that that will keep crazy people away :p

:lol: We WERE the crazy people.
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a brotherhood of man, imagine all the people, sharing all the <font color="#FFFFFF">world</font>...</font>

<font color="#B1DFDE">You may say I'm a <font color="#FFFFFF">dreamer</font>, but I'm not the only one, I hope
some day you'll join us, and the world will <font color="#FFFFFF">live</font> as one.</font></center></font>
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Postby nikki4982 » 1/23/2006, 2:25 pm

Seriously, though... I feel just as safe walking in Philly at 2am as I do walking through Collingswood at 2am. I'm weary of anyplace in the dark... mainly cos I'm afraid of the dark.

:eek:

*is 4 years old really*
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Postby Soozy » 1/23/2006, 2:26 pm

Not in the mugging and murdering sense of crazy though!
Open your eyes to nights and days, you close them up and float away
and somehow inbetween you've got to master lying to yourself
you back the cause, get out of school, you get a job, the job gets you
and somehow every day you end up serving somebody else
now if that ain't panic that you're feeling, then you damn well better start
you can drive it into that head of yours with the hammer in your heart.


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