9/11 Anniversary

[Axtech]

I think the only problem with saying that "the jews control the media" is that it sounds like you're saying that the jews are like a cult that all get together on fridays to plan what they're going to do with the media.

[InRepair79]

Okay. First off, you guys were right about one thing: I shouldn't have popped off and called you and your pals names. For that, I'm sorry.

However, you're wrong about everything else.

First of all, if you publicly make a claim as wide-sweeping and provocative as "the Jews control the media" and offer nothing to back that claim up, you're going to get called on it. And if, upon getting called on it, your only sources presented are your good pals, Joe Bob and Snuffy, who, for those of you who missed the newsflash and the complete reconfiguration of our current understanding of society that their revelation necessitated, have "prov(en) that Jews run the media," you're also going to be laughed at.

Regarding those websites, I say, "so what?" Site one consists of a laundry list of prominent individuals the writer says are Jews (no citations offered, though…Are they Jews in the racial or religious sense? Do they still practice Judiasm and therefore have a reason to promote a Jewish agenda? Would they know their yamukah from their assholes?). Site two regurgitates the same list (still no citations), but ratchets up the hysteria a little bit (the title of the page is "Who Controls America?") and throws in some not so subtle racist overtones...you know..."Run for the hills! Whites and Blacks are intermarrying!!"...to seal the deal (and by doing so, inadvertently telegraphs what's really sticking in the craw of these kind of folks). The conclusions reached by the third site are so stupid as to be laughable: not only are the Jews controlling the media, but are using it "to encourage degeneracy in viewers" and promote "White racial guilt," which, if it were harbored might, of course, put the kibosh on any aspirations to unite AS A WHITE RACE ON THE VURGE OF EGGSTINCTION!!! Disney, Inc., is targeted in particular by this site. Why? Because they produced wholesome, Gentile films before being shanghaied by the evil, hook-nosed Yids who control the company today. Can't you see them, drooling in anticipation as "The Little Mermaid" hits the video shelves, a giant, Jewish cock hidden among the castle towers? As for racial guilt, anybody who claims the media coddles Blacks, disproportionately presenting them as innocent victims at the hands of red-necked, chaw-slobbering Whites, has never watched COPS or been to the local cinema to take in the per usual parade of Blacks as criminals, jive-talking comedic relief, or basketball players, in other words, characters that exist not as human beings, but as “Black” folk, there to convey “Blackness,” or rather what White writers envision Blacks as being: basketball lovin’, rap listenin’ homeboys who don’t take no shit from nobody, sho’ ‘nuff!!!!

You know, I think that, given enough time, I could cobble together a list of Gentiles in prominent media positions, or ask you such uncomfortable questions as why, if the tentacles of the JEWISH CONSPIRATORIAL OCTOPUS are so long and powerful, and if they “control America,” why couldn’t they get one of their own in the White House last election year? Why is the New York Times generally anti-Gulf War if Zionist controlled? The CEO of Clear Channel Radio isn’t Jewish. Bill Gates isn’t Jewish. Rush Limbaugh isn’t Jewish. Of course, one can never be wrong when espousing a conspiracy theory. Since, like religions, they exist in a self-contained, causal loop of circular logic outside of event reality, objections raised by level-headed skeptics actually end up demonstrating the ALL ENCOMPASSING NATURE OF THE POWER OF THE CONSPIRACY!!! Why so many prominent Gentile newscasters and anchors? Ah ha! Because the Jews are clever, and don’t want to appear too conspicuous in their fiendish machinations, their drive to assimilate the entire mediascape, of course! I bet you thought this inconvenient fact might punch a hole in the Jewish Conspiracy Over All Things Media theory! Silly critical thinker!!!

Back to “racial guilt”: Whites don’t need the Jews’ help. If the news gives a disproportionate amount of air time to a case in which a Black guy is chained to the back of a pick-up and dragged to death by some Whites, it’s because a Black was chained to the back of a pick-up and dragged to death by some Whites. You see, our ancestors subjugated an entire race because they didn’t want to do the work themselves. And while Blacks are, in the literal sense, “free,” the aftereffects linger, their culture having been either destroyed or bastardized, in both cases beyond recovery, by a generally White governed establishment that at least seems to prefer their Black Man remain a caricature of alternately laughable and dangerous hip-hop mentality. So, yeah, there’s some guilt there. And the reason why a lot of people cringe whenever Whites speak loudly and proudly about “coming together” is that the last time this was performed with any success, millions of “non-Whites” were put to death (OR WERE THEY?????? HERE! READ MY CAREFULLY MIMEOGRAPHED PAMPHLET EXPLAINING WHY NOT!!!!).

To those at this board reading this, here’s an excerpt from one of Rufus’ impeccable “sources”: “The Jew-controlled entertainment media have taken the lead in persuading a whole generation that homosexuality is a normal and acceptable way of life; there there (sic) is nothing at all wrong with white women dating or marrying black men, or with white men marrying Asian women; that all races are inherently equal in ability an character [Sweet Christ! Those bastards!!].”

Sound like the work of a reasonable individual in whom you can trust to make these sorts of wild pronouncements?

And Doug, et al: it’s impossible to prove that FDR didn’t know about Pearl Harbor or that Jews don’t control the media, but even if it weren’t, it wouldn’t be my responsibility to prove it. (By the way, I think FDR very well may have had at least some kind of advanced warning, etc. My bone of contention was someone saying that this was a “mainstream fact” when it’s still just conjecture). When someone espouses an unconventional claim (Jews control the media, FDR allowed the attack on Pearl Harbor, etc.), it’s the claimant that has the burden of proof, not the doubter. And you and your links didn’t prove anything, just that you guys need to bone up on your critical thinking skills, something in which you’re sorely lacking.

[doug]

I think i mentioned that the evidence supplied was dubious in nature. It is easy to prove that jewish men with money own large amounts of mass media in the united states. it is much more difficual to prove that they have some sort of agenda. if it were easy to prove their agenda, then the agenda wouldn't be hidden and you wouldn't need us to prove it, would you?

the point i am making is, mr. critical thinking, you cannot expect us to post links from cnn very often. most of the websites you're going to see here probably are created and run by some variation of conspiracy theorist. the point is, you don't appear to have any reason to believe that these people (our sources) are lying beyond what the government has told you already - FDR didn't know about pearl harbour, Osama is guilty of 9/11, there are no dead people in iraq and our media is totally free of all bias.

if i'm the one whose lacking in critical thinking, i don't see it yet. i don't seem to suck back layer upon layer of government "facts" without asking why i should believe any of it. that's you, or at least it appears to be from your position here.

Now then, regarding jewish influence of american politics, are you taking the position that there is NO zionist leaning in the US congress today? are you saying that there has never been one - that there are no provable links between jewish people with jewish agendas and american policy?

Here's something you should know about rebuffing sources of information: sarcasm does not prove anybody wrong. poking fun at the authors of Alan's links does not make them wrong - you need to prove it. so far, all you've done is say "ha! what a bunch of jokers" and i'm afraid you'll need to do better to change my mind.

[Sufjan Stevens]

Instead of ranting about how wrong I am, how about you provide me with some proof to say I am wrong? Just telling me I am ignorant for posting those links doesn't prove anything except for the fact that you're an expendable asshole in life.

Yes, I read these articles, and just because the asshole that wrote the second website spent his final two paragraphs ranting about other racial issues doesn't make the fact any less credible.

Instead of trying to prove my claim is wrong, you spent your time talking about why the second website was racist. Thanks, I knew that, the people that read it knew that, I posted a disclaimer on there saying that one has racist tones in there and to ignore it, and yet, that's the only thing you're really able to call me out on. Gee, stay on the topic and maybe your side of the debate would actually get somewhere.

In a whopping paragraph and a half, you spend your time trying to make me look like I am wrong to no avail. What do you want from me? Do you want me to trace back every single media owner's ethnicity and to find out what synagogues they go to? No, I'd rather find something better to do with my time. Anyways, the number of times these people go to their places of worship is irrelevant to the fact of what they are. The fact of the matter is if you were a Jew, would you constantly report stories of how corrupt your country is acting? No, you wouldn't. You'd rather let everyone know that it's clearly everyone else's fault. Hence all the negative stories about Palestinians, and, in general, Arabic people. I am still waiting to hear a news report or read in a newspaper how a Jew bombs a Palestinian. It happens, we just don't hear about it, unless you go out of your way to read stories from other countries that give unbiased accounts of stories.

Then you try to tell me that Bill Gates isn't a Jew. That's nice. It's not like he can make up a new program like "Microsoft anti-semite v2.0" or something. Anyways, he creates software to make a computer run better, not have any effect in media. He helps people use the internet, where people can find all the Jewish or anti-semite literature they want. So that reference was pointless. Next. The owner of Clear Channel. So he's not a Jew. That's nice. It's not like people make anti-semitic music, so the musical part is out of the question. Talk radio. Yes, I listen to this, and maybe it's just Detroit, but I still don't hear anyone ever speak badly about a Jew. Ever. But then again, if I think about it, someone has to feed people the topics they cover, and it wouldn't exactly surprise me that if they take a certain stand to issues, their jobs could be in jeopardy. I am still waiting to hear a report that's against Bush's decision to go into Iraq and Afghanistan and kill innocent people. But that has nothing to do with anything, right? How about Rush Limbaugh. Yeah, someone feeds him topics. He's become a television personality on a two Jewish-owned television stations. Let's hear him speak bad of a Jew and keep his job. Not fucking likely.

So how about the next time you post, you come up with some information as to why my statement of Jews controlling the media is so ignorantly wrong. I'd love to read what you can find on it. I want evidence proving I am wrong. I gave you my evidence, give me yours.

[starvingeyes]

as far as pearl harbour goes, please, read the following:

http://members.tripod.com/~eviljedi/pearl.htm

wil that suffice?

also, speaking of september 11, take a look at this:

<img src ="http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911HistorySign3.jpg">

and engage your critical thinking.

[InRepair79]

Let me explain something about myself and my views, because I think you're missing the point of my criticism.

A.) I am against the war in Iraq and am extremely suspicious of GW's motives for attacking the country. Also, I am well aware of the civilian casualties we affected in bombing Afghanistan, how they outnumber the Americans killed on 9/11, how 99% of the American public and mainstream press doesn't seem to care, let alone want to talk about that kind of stuff.

B.) While Bin Laden and co. may have been behind the actual hijacking of the planes that crashed into the Towers, etc., that doesn't negate the fact that the U.S. funded him at one time and that there's a goodly body of evidence that seems to indicate that the govt. expected an attack of some kind to be emminent. Why wasn't this information acted upon?

C.) I know full well that the media is oftentimes used as the ruling class' tool in maintaining the status quo, and if that means the distortion of facts, etc., than so be it. I'm not naive. Is the status quo one that favors Isreal? Sure. But does that mean a conspiracy is behind it? Might there be other reasons behind the existence of such a status quo?


All of this having been said, I disregard your claim that Jews control the media, let alone the country. Or, to put it better, Jews may hold positions of power in many media roles, but so do Gentiles, and a roll-call of powerful individuals who are Jewish doesn't convince me what you, at the core, are trying to convince everyone, that Jewishness (Jewish beliefs and agendas) controls the media. Why? Because no one group "controls" the media, although the liberals, who say that conservatives control the media, the conservatives, who say the liberals control the media, and you might say otherwise. So who is it? Who controls the media? Jews? Liberals? Conservatives? And the reason I hammered home the racist overtones of the websites you provided is to demonstrate to you the underpinnings of such thought processes, and that buying into what these anti-Semites (the first website was entitled "The Jewish Question," I see...hmmm...it almost sounds like a question in need of a "Solution," if you catch my reference...) are selling is dangerous.

And for the last damned time...I can't PROVE that there's no Jewish conspiracy the same way I can't PROVE there's no Santa Claus. That's not the way it works. You must provide the evidence since you are the claimant, and, like I said, you haven't. All I can do is offer objections, poke holes in your theory, point out where your reasoning has gone awry (reindeers can't fly, etc.). By the way, you never explained how, given the fact that the Jews run the joint, Liebermann/Gore failed to be elected in 2000. And as for Bill Gates having no effect on the media...what...the Internet isn't a part of the media? What about MSNBC? I'm sure your answer will be something along the lines of "well, Gates isn't Jewish, but the so-and-so of NBC is tangentally connected to a Jew." Don't bother, though, because unless you can prove that Mr. So-and-So is actively involved in a conspiracy to control media content and not just someone with the designation "Jew," it won't hold water.

[Venom]

[Venom]

Oh and if the US is so supportive of everything that Israel does then why'd they stop them from expelling or killing Arafat?

[Sufjan Stevens]

[Venom]

Same reason we send military arms to other countries or for that matter any goods. Its called TRADE. We make stuff they buy it. They make stuff we buy it. Pretty neat concept eh??

[Sufjan Stevens]

[Venom]

[Sufjan Stevens]

[Venom]

Are you naive enough to think that the Palestinians aren't getting money and explosives from other countries in the region???? Cuz if you want me to prove that to you I will. That is why we started giving them money and selling them weapons in the first place. The whole region was trying to exterminate the Jews.

[InRepair79]

[Venom]

[Sufjan Stevens]

[InRepair79]

[Venom]

[Sufjan Stevens]

See, I never said I didn't sympathize for the victims of 9/11. I thought it was horrible, and I still do. What I did say was that we should stop making every single thing we do in life a memorial to 9/11, or 9/11 proof, or maybe even stop spending 5 minutes out of a 30 minute news program talking about 9/11. That is what I want. I can understand the families grieving this, and would be a whole hell of a lot more understanding about it, if everywhere I turn I didn't have to put up with the whole 9/11 craze. It happened once and it won't happen again. They wanted to prove their point that they could fuck with us, and they did that, and now everything is so airtight that nothing isn't inspected three times over.

About the war. Odds are, I would have done the same thing that Bush did. But if you were to read my posts, you'd see that I am outspoken about the war in Iraq. What we did with Afghanistan was justifiable, and honestly, the entire country was shaken up, and that would be the only thing Bush could do to calm the American people down. That is why I agree with the situation.

Here's why I constantly speak out about Bush. The man is a liar. He went into Iraq using the 9/11 craze, which is horrible. He used a tragedy to gain the support of the people, even though what Bush wanted to do was entirely wrong. Iraq posed no threat to us. Everything we were told to worry about didn't exist. There's nothing there. The president, the man we're supposed to trust with our safety, sent young Americans to die in another country because he wanted to do away with Huessein.

Bush said he was going in there about chemical weapons and to make sure he can avoid another 9/11, and we all know that when someone murmurs 9/11, whatever he or she says is scripture, and the uneducated American people just went along with him. Months later and we have Bush saying there were no weapons and they were nowhere near close to making them, and now he's trying to say he went and had our children killed because he wanted the Iraqi people freed. That is not what he said when he riled the entire country up and got the people to believe our lives were in danger. This is the exact reason I loathe Bush. He lied to the people that didn't elect him into office, and now we all have to live with his mistakes and scare tactics. I don't accept that, and this is why I speak out about our government so much.

I hope that answered your question, Venom. I agreed with Afghanistan, but I didn't agree with Iraq, and never will.