Jim, could you use your crystal ball to look into the future and tell me whose going to win the stanley cup?
how do you know any of that would happen if people were left to their own? why do you think the government somehow solves all the worlds problems?
newsflash: there are still poor. there are still hungry. there still are uneducated. and we live in a blessed, wonderful, gods-gift to mankind demockracy.
what has YOUR government done about the poor hungry, etc etc? nothing. do you know why? because nothing can be done. there will always be poor and hungry until the poor and hungry decide to do something about it.
you say you have compasssion, yet you support and condone VIOLENCE in order to make your beliefs work. THAT'S the real difference between us two - my beliefs do NOT require force, whereas yours do.
moving back to the topic at hand.
Nikki: first of all, going to the bar is not a right. and even if it were, rights are not guarentees. the right to life does not mean you will not fall sick and die, the right to happiness does not mean you will be happy, etc etc.
so, if you make a CHOICE to stay home rather then brave the second hand smoke you encounter at bars, then you're exercising your right to CHOOSE. You do not have the right to tell property/bar owners that they cannot excerise their right to CHOOSE to let smokers into their bars.
No more smoking in New York State
by nelison » 8/1/2003, 10:48 am
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
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by nelison » 8/1/2003, 11:24 am
same can be turned around, how do you know everything I said wouldn't happen?
yes there are poor and hungry people in our world but there would be far more in my opinion if everyone was for themselves.
There are govts helping defeat poverty. Homeless shelters and soup kitchens are in every city.
I do not support violence, but I'm sure you'll enlighten me in your next post about how I do.
Sorry everyone for taking this off-topic. They asked for my reply so I gave them it.
yes there are poor and hungry people in our world but there would be far more in my opinion if everyone was for themselves.
There are govts helping defeat poverty. Homeless shelters and soup kitchens are in every city.
I do not support violence, but I'm sure you'll enlighten me in your next post about how I do.
Sorry everyone for taking this off-topic. They asked for my reply so I gave them it.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
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by Sufjan Stevens » 8/1/2003, 12:29 pm
I faced death. I went in with my arms swinging. But I heard my own breath and had to face that I'm still living. I'm still flesh. I hold on to awful feelings. I'm not dead... My chest still draws breath. I hold it. I'm buoyant. There's no end.
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by Narbus » 8/1/2003, 11:52 pm
You know what? Let's even make this really easy:
For J-Neli, please answer the following questions:
1. What, exactly, gives you the right to tell a person who owns private property what they can, and cannot, do with that property?
2. If you are, in fact, so compassionate, then why are you forcing me to support causes I don't believe in by making me pay taxes and the like?
3. Why, exactly, is it my job to provide for everyone else?
PS: Doug, I've come out and openly agreed with you on a lot of points now. The threads where I support you are growing to outnumber the ones where I don't. So I hope you'll take the following to heart.
The "k" thing is retarded. Very. All I can think of when you do it is the people who spell Microsoft as Micro$oft, while they sit in their parents basement with their saving throws and homemade lightsabres saying things like "Bill Gates, I lash out at thee! Hur, hur, hur."
It's particularly retarded when you don't actually remove the "c" before inserting the "k."
For J-Neli, please answer the following questions:
1. What, exactly, gives you the right to tell a person who owns private property what they can, and cannot, do with that property?
2. If you are, in fact, so compassionate, then why are you forcing me to support causes I don't believe in by making me pay taxes and the like?
3. Why, exactly, is it my job to provide for everyone else?
PS: Doug, I've come out and openly agreed with you on a lot of points now. The threads where I support you are growing to outnumber the ones where I don't. So I hope you'll take the following to heart.
The "k" thing is retarded. Very. All I can think of when you do it is the people who spell Microsoft as Micro$oft, while they sit in their parents basement with their saving throws and homemade lightsabres saying things like "Bill Gates, I lash out at thee! Hur, hur, hur."
It's particularly retarded when you don't actually remove the "c" before inserting the "k."
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by nelison » 8/2/2003, 11:59 am
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
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by Sufjan Stevens » 8/2/2003, 12:52 pm
I faced death. I went in with my arms swinging. But I heard my own breath and had to face that I'm still living. I'm still flesh. I hold on to awful feelings. I'm not dead... My chest still draws breath. I hold it. I'm buoyant. There's no end.
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by nelison » 8/2/2003, 11:33 pm
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
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by Bandalero » 8/4/2003, 1:15 am
a fine read indeed. however aristocrats from the 1800's are practically well off, and don't need government assistance. (aside from having taxes taxen from them, as well as being locked up) but one thing i do admire about Bakunin, he tried many times to revolt, and he did it without force.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
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by Ignignokt » 8/9/2003, 9:05 am
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by Ignignokt » 8/9/2003, 9:07 am
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"Pussies dont like dicks, cause pussies get fucked by dicks.. but dicks also fuck assholes. Assholes who just wanna shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way, but the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick.. with some balls." - team america
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