Gay Marriage
by I AM ME » 2/27/2004, 8:19 pm
actually i hate to break it to you but both Jefferson and Franklin were atheist. Your country was based on ideals, not the Bible. America was to be a land of freedom from persecution, and the ideal of the pursuit of happiness.
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"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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by SpiritualJunkie » 2/27/2004, 9:44 pm
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by I AM ME » 2/28/2004, 12:28 am
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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by megxyz128 » 2/28/2004, 12:42 pm
i'm all for civil unions, which is basically marriage without calling it marriage. marriage is a religious ceremony and no main religions support homosexuality.
i also think that non-religious people, or christian or whoever started marriage, should not be allowed to be "married", but should have a civil union. again, leave marriage to the religious people, which is what it is, a religious ceremony.
i also think that non-religious people, or christian or whoever started marriage, should not be allowed to be "married", but should have a civil union. again, leave marriage to the religious people, which is what it is, a religious ceremony.
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by wanan » 2/28/2004, 1:49 pm
Basically there is no secular argument against gay marriage. The only consistent argument is 'it's against my religion', which is fine, but others can't be expected to live their lives with the same morals and beliefs that you hold. This argument, of course, holds no place in law because there is a seperation between state and church. The consititution is there to protect the rights of individuals, not to discriminate against minorities. And just because a majority is against gay marriage does not mean the laws should reflect that. The law has to protect the rights of minorities, I am sure the majority did not support black rights during the height of the civil rights movement either. And the majority did not support interracial marriages becoming legal either. The controversy over gay marriage is just another cycle in humankinds seeming need to oppress those who are different than them. And, shockingly, in the months since gay marriage has been legal in Ontario and San Fran, the world has not folded in on itself. Heterosexual marriages are not falling apart at a quicker rate than they were before. I guess the 'sanctity' of marriage hasn't really been threatened after all, because really the only threat to marriage is the two people involved in it. Basically, it is not right that homosexuals are being treated as second class citizens by being denied civil rights and that has to stop.
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by I AM ME » 2/28/2004, 4:34 pm
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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by Joe Cooler » 2/28/2004, 11:16 pm
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Homosexual marriage makes marriage "unclean" because weither we like it or not there is a lot of religous significance to marriage. Mabye not everyone gets married in a church but for the majority out there, a church is where you get married. Most church groups believe homosexual marriage is wrong. Thus, the church believes that homosexual marriage should not occur.
Why not get married through the government you say? Well there really is no visable distinction between getting married through the government or church. Marriage is marriage. You say your married, and most people assume it was through a church.
I believe this whole situation is far more tricky then most people make it out to be. Mabye not everyone in the world has the same views as the church but how does that make the churches views invalid? They dont agree with gay marriage, and the other majority does. Where do we say who's right? Church and state may be seperated but when it comes to marriage a lot of religous people feel that the state is treading on their ground.
I hope some of this makes at least some sense..
This is more me putting thoughts in writing then making any major statements.. but feel free to argue.
Homosexual marriage makes marriage "unclean" because weither we like it or not there is a lot of religous significance to marriage. Mabye not everyone gets married in a church but for the majority out there, a church is where you get married. Most church groups believe homosexual marriage is wrong. Thus, the church believes that homosexual marriage should not occur.
Why not get married through the government you say? Well there really is no visable distinction between getting married through the government or church. Marriage is marriage. You say your married, and most people assume it was through a church.
I believe this whole situation is far more tricky then most people make it out to be. Mabye not everyone in the world has the same views as the church but how does that make the churches views invalid? They dont agree with gay marriage, and the other majority does. Where do we say who's right? Church and state may be seperated but when it comes to marriage a lot of religous people feel that the state is treading on their ground.
I hope some of this makes at least some sense..
This is more me putting thoughts in writing then making any major statements.. but feel free to argue.
- Joe Cooler
by hpdfk » 2/28/2004, 11:28 pm
no. your reply makes some sense to me. In no way am I saying for the church to accept gay marriage. THAT would be the state treading on the church. However, the church asking for the nation to accept their point is the church treading on the state. Gay marriage should be permitted through the state and other religions that accept it.
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by I AM ME » 2/29/2004, 1:06 am
i agree that churches shouldn't be forced to marry gay couples, they should be able to deny services to couples. But they have no place in what the couples do or whether they DO get married
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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