Explosions in London?

Dr. Hobo · Post by **Dr. Hobo** » 7/11/2005, 11:51 pm

thats like
my dream!

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 7/11/2005, 11:58 pm

I thought you liked refridgeorator boxes?

Dr. Hobo · Post by **Dr. Hobo** » 7/12/2005, 12:14 am

those too

nikki4982 · Post by **nikki4982** » 7/12/2005, 2:10 am

So... taking this thread back to it's topic...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 66,00.html

As horrible as these things are, it's always nice to hear the hero stories and to be reminded that there is still good in this horrible world.

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 7/12/2005, 8:59 am

afealicious wrote:so um...i guess i'm just being paranoid because i'm paranoid about everything but...

i just heard on 680 news that it's not a matter about IF canada will be attacked, just a matter of WHEN. canada is pretty high on their list apparently. which is damn scary to begin with, to think that people in your own country are going to die because of something like this, but you know...

london. toronto.
london, england; toronto, canada.

my city does look like a very, very likely target. and i use the subway a whole shitload, and so do so many other people i know, and even people i don't know, it doesn't matter. i don't want people to die. but it's going to happen, right? am i being paranoid? yeah i am. fuck. why the hell is this hitting me so hard all of a sudden? it's like i've been living in a floaty dreamworld bubble and terrorism is just a faraway tragedy that happens to other people, not you. i'm giving them what they want, am i? i'm paranoid. aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHH

wow. That's all I have to say.

There are significant differences between London and Toronto, and the reasons why London is far more likely to be a victim of terrorism. In all honesty there are many reasons why Canada won't be attacked. here's a list of them.

1. We didn't go to Iraq, nor do we have have our noses stuck in middle east politics. When we are in Arab countries it is as a peacekeeper. So far attacks have been against countries who are currently in Iraq.

2. This isn't exactly the greatest thing to be proud of but if terrorists want to attack the USA in the future, odds are they'll have the easiest way into the country by going through Canada. Our border security is not as strict as American security, and it would be likely that they would stay in Canada until they were prepared to attack and cross the border which in many cases is effortless. An attack against Canada would mean we would be on high alert trying to strengthen our borders and weeding out any terrorists. An attack against Canada would make future attacks against larger and more prominent targets harder to achieve.

3. It would piss off more countries and bring these ones into the "war against terrorism." Canadian allies like France and Germany would be more likely to defend Canada.

4. Whether we care to believe it or not, Canada is not a major global player. We are a B-list country. An attack here would do nothing for the terrorists. It would achieve very little in the global war. You might disagree and say "well this means that anyone anywhere can be attacked." This could be true, but something tells me the terrorists are more interested in attacking specific nations.

Either way you've already lost. You're paranoid as hell. Media folk would love to see your post. It would make them incredibly happy to see all of their hard work is paying off.

VazValium · Post by **VazValium** » 7/12/2005, 11:34 am

turns out the terrorist could very well be british. i am not surprised by this at all. the scariest thing is that the suspects live/lived very close to where i do.

and to the person that thinks they may be paranoid, i don't think you should stop living life as you normally would, as many people have said. however, it is just a matter of when a country gets attacked, but i really doubt canada will be attacked in the near future.

Tattooed Angels · Post by **Tattooed Angels** » 7/12/2005, 3:41 pm

afealicious wrote:so um...i guess i'm just being paranoid because i'm paranoid about everything but...

i just heard on 680 news that it's not a matter about IF canada will be attacked, just a matter of WHEN. canada is pretty high on their list apparently. which is damn scary to begin with, to think that people in your own country are going to die because of something like this, but you know...

london. toronto.
london, england; toronto, canada.

my city does look like a very, very likely target. and i use the subway a whole shitload, and so do so many other people i know, and even people i don't know, it doesn't matter. i don't want people to die. but it's going to happen, right? am i being paranoid? yeah i am. fuck. why the hell is this hitting me so hard all of a sudden? it's like i've been living in a floaty dreamworld bubble and terrorism is just a faraway tragedy that happens to other people, not you. i'm giving them what they want, am i? i'm paranoid. aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHH

When you live in fear the terrorist win. That is their goal( besides killing people).. to put fear in people.. Don't give into the fear.. Just live your life as you would normally would.. Enjoy the things you normally do.. Unfortuntately we can not tell when these things may or maynot happen. No matter how good our government intelligence are.. Don't give into Fear..

if it makes you feel better I work for the subway, and yes after 911 it was scary to work cause there was so much from bomb scares to the some stations being permently closed cause of the unsteadiness of the foundation from where the buidlings colapsed. We even had a transfomer blew a few months back, and just yesterday there was a fire on a bus.(it was froma faulty wire in the engine) I just go to work and pray for the best. I have a better chance of being held up then a terrorist attack.. Hell the booth I am in now has bullet holes..

I can see why you would be scared, but try not to let it overcome you.. If it makes you feel better talk to us on here.. Esp since some of us have been through these scares.

Soozy · Post by **Soozy** » 7/13/2005, 1:17 pm

Jen sweetie, the odds of being run over and killed in London are higher than being killed in a terrorist attack. You need to put it into perspective. Yes there's always a chance that Toronto could be attacked, but the chances are slim for many reasons, and the chances of you being present for that attack are even slimmer. You can't let that small chance stop you from going about your life as normal.

As for the London bombers - it seems there were 4 of them - all British - and one died at each bomb site. They think the one on the bus was planning to head north (the others went south, east and west) on the northern line - with I'm guessing the bomb going off at Euston - which is "my station" the one I use when I go into London, the one most of my friends who work in London use and those that live in London and work with me also use. The line they were going to use wasn't running because of a defective train though, so the guy seems to have improvised and got on the bus instead.

The bombers' families seem to have had no idea what was going on - one reported their son missing after they didn't hear from him by Thursday night - which along with cctv allowed them to identify the bombers relatively quickly. 3 of them started out in Leeds (which is a few hundred miles north of London) and came down to Luton which is about 20 miles from where I live and met up with the 4th. They then got the train that one of my really good friends takes every day to get to work and ended up at Kings Cross and the rest you know ...

They're still looking for some kind of mastermind behind all this. The bombers hadn't come in any kind of intelligence in the past - and there are people on the news saying how they just seemed like normal guys liking football and cricket and stuff. One was married, another had a girlfriend so it's not like they were religious fanatic loner types.

VazValium · Post by **VazValium** » 7/13/2005, 3:02 pm

it seems kind of suspicious that the families had 'no idea'. it is not exactly easy to conceal bomb-making manuals and 'radical' texts from people living in the same house as you. i seriously think there are many more who were behind this attack.

also, i didnt like how the member of parliament of the area where the terrorists were from, was trying to somehow justify the attacks by saying they were frustrated by issues in pallestine, chechnya and kashmir. nothing can justify terrorism. i don' t see any tibetans bombing innocent people all over the world in protest of china's occupation of their land.

Tattooed Angels · Post by **Tattooed Angels** » 7/13/2005, 4:07 pm

VazValium wrote:it seems kind of suspicious that the families had 'no idea'. it is not exactly easy to conceal bomb-making manuals and 'radical' texts from people living in the same house as you. i seriously think there are many more who were behind this attack.

that is not necessarily true. Look at Columbine. Those families had no clue their sons were planning on shooting up the school and such..

The news here said that all the bombers were suicide and died in the explosing. One of the bombers mom's were instrumental in finding the clues. they still don't know who the mastermind behind all of it was..they were young guys.. Scary cause one minute you are a normal everyday person. Next you are a suicide bomber.. What makes a person do that.?. I mean there isn't enough money in the world to make me kill myself and others.> I just don't understand the power these people have over these kids. And they are kids.. Sad really. they are being brainwashed to give up their lives for a cause they may not truly believe in. Who knows really why these people do the things they do..

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 7/13/2005, 5:54 pm

I'll probably take heat for pointing this out, but all the suspects, though British nationals, were Muslim.

VazValium · Post by **VazValium** » 7/14/2005, 2:54 am

you are right. i didn't mention that because i was getting criticism in another thread. the most realistic possibility is that they get these ideas from within the family and community because the people who have the most influence on you, are your family and your community. i especially know this because muslims near where i live (the leeds and dewsbury area where the terrorists were from) have very close-knit muslim commuities, where basically mainly muslims live in that area. they live very differently to other british people, in insular communities, so i really doubt they were concealing this idea from all friends or family.

i am sure this idea was planned by at least 50 people and these 4 bombers were the people who volunteered, because they wanted to be known as heroes (i.e. martyrs) in the 'terrorist world'. evidence that backs this up is because they suspiciously left their ID's on the buses and trains. from this i think they hope to inspire many yong muslims around the world to go do the same.

also, the difference with columbine is that it was a bunch of kids getting their hands on guns which are legal in america anyway. it is a bit different getting illegal explosives and suicide bombing material. that would be a lot harder to get. they obviously knew the people from who to get it.

Soozy · Post by **Soozy** » 7/14/2005, 11:51 am

I don't agree at all Vaz. You couldn't have 50 people planning this without someone getting suspicious and saying something. The overwhelming majority of Muslims, British or otherwise, find these acts as abhorrent as the rest of us. Chances are it's some small group - no more than 10 people, with the mastermind(s) quite possibly being from outside the UK. The family of that one guy who reported him missing are obviously really upset if you see them talking on the news - they couldn't have known this was going on.

Some of the bombers had visited places like Pakistan/possibly Afghanistan where there are terrorist training camps - they could have been recruited there. It's not like they suddenly got the idea in their heads to do this so they'd be looked up to by the rest of the community.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 7/14/2005, 1:58 pm

Corey wrote:I'll probably take heat for pointing this out, but all the suspects, though British nationals, were Muslim.

It's irrelevant though. The Islam religion does not condone nor encourage violence of any kind.

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 7/14/2005, 3:22 pm

So? The ignorant people of our world are still going to equate terrorism with Islam.

VazValium · Post by **VazValium** » 7/14/2005, 5:13 pm

sooz, you are probably right about the families not being aware, but the fact that they wanted to go to these camps in pakistan/afghanistan must mean they have been brought up with, or surrounded by the kind of mentality to want to learn these extreme views, and therefore go all the way to those countries.

also, i don't think it is ignorant to somehow link these certain acts of terrorism with islam, because there is a significantly big bi-product from the religion that has caused these problems and something needs to be done about it. a big example of this bi-product right here in britain is finsbury park mosque and obviously the area near where i live, dewsbury and leeds. i don't believe the majority of muslims have anything to do with terrorism (being asian myslef), but that majority should be doing more about it.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 7/14/2005, 5:42 pm

closeyoureyes wrote:
Corey wrote:I'll probably take heat for pointing this out, but all the suspects, though British nationals, were Muslim.

It's irrelevant though. The Islam religion does not condone nor encourage violence of any kind.

VazValium · Post by **VazValium** » 7/14/2005, 5:45 pm

well, this bi-product does

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 7/14/2005, 7:31 pm

closeyoureyes wrote:
Corey wrote:I'll probably take heat for pointing this out, but all the suspects, though British nationals, were Muslim.

It's irrelevant though. The Islam religion does not condone nor encourage violence of any kind.

So? That doesn't make it irrelevant.

Soozy · Post by **Soozy** » 7/15/2005, 11:09 am

From what I've heard the families sent them (or at least one) away to religious schools in Pakistan because they were getting into trouble at school and they thought that the discipline there would help them out. Just think, they're almost the other side of the world, their family have sent them away and they feel all alone - they're vulnerable for people to pick them up and groom them for this kind of thing. But who knows ...

What I'm finding interesting is that apparently the bombs weren't made from any stolen or otherwise dodgy explosives but from chemicals that you can get in any high street chemist (don't ask me how) - that's a pretty scary thing.

Also, one of the bombers was originally from Jamaica and converted to Islam at some point. Apparently he already had one child and his wife/girlfriend is pregnant at the moment. It'll be interesting to see how he fits into things since he doesn't seem to have the same background as the others.

And I still can't get over a man who helps teach primary school kids one day and then goes and kills innocent people with a bomb the next.