No more smoking in New York State

[Axtech]

Actually, there are laws against that kind of thing in public places without licenses and whatnot (at least, that's my impression).

Anyways, here's what it comes down to. There are two options.

a. Force smokers to smoke outside of the establishment
b. Force non-smokers to find other establishments

And, since smokers choose to smoke, choice b is being taken. Smokers are now expected to accept the fact that there are limits as to where they can smoke.

[Ignignokt]

why should we cater to the needs of non-smokes, if you don't like it go somewhere else

its like coming into my restaurant and saying you don't like the food , so you put up a vote to make me change it

[Narbus]

Still missing the point. You are choosing to go to the smoke filled environment. If you go to a concert, and it's very loud, are you going to start a petition to remove half the speakers? No. You are accepting the risk because you get some benefit. Same thing with entering a business where smoking is allowed.

[Bandalero]

[Narbus]

[Ignignokt]

[Dr. Hobo]

[Ignignokt]

[Narbus]

[Ignignokt]

[Bandalero]

[Ignignokt]

[Bandalero]

[Ignignokt]

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[Ignignokt]

[Bandalero]

so your lungs regenerate, ok fine. even if that is true, what about the asthematic, respitory problems, or the person with allergies? god forbid you have to discriminate against them. they have the same complain that most of the smokers have.

we want to go somewhere and have a drink in a place that we can breathe easily.

we want to go somewhere and have a drink in a place that we can smoke as well.

a bar that wishes to cater to everyones needs will have a place outside for smokers and a place inside for other people to enjoy as well. granted this doesn't work all the time because of winter/rain, it is still a better buisness move to have these facilities. I think it's should be the bar owners descision to allow smoking in his building, but that's not the way it is.

from personal expirience, it's alot easier to move a drunk around. first thing you do is grab the drunk and pull him toward you. the first thing they want to do is move away from you, so as your pulling, they pull away too. as soon as they do, that's when you push them, and you can move them wherever you want, their reaction times are slowed and your already moving them, there's no way they can move you. when and if they get hostile/loud, that's when you inflict minor pain. if you have the guy by the arm, squeeze it to the point where they'll shut up and are affraid to attack you. this has worked, this is what they teach you when your a bouncer or security of somekind. the owner of a bar in Juarez, basically paid me 300 dollars to remove loud drunks from his club, and this is the only advice he gave me, and it was all that was needed.

try telling a smoker to move or leave the building, and he'll get pissed.

[Ignignokt]

it IS the bar owners choice

thats why all these laws are getting struck down

the point is, everytime someone doesn't like something, you cant just ban it. if we did that , like i said before, none of us would ever leave our homes because we'd inadvertantly piss someone off.

i have allergies, i smoke. so what.

just because some dude is sick i have to curb my fun at a bar? thats bullshit.

i dont have to bend my rights just to make someone else happy.
and i wont. if someone is in my car with me driving somewhere, do i change my music to suit them? no, i dont. now if they ask me to not smoke as much on a long trip, i do do that, because they aren't asking me to completely stop. you are singling out smokers as a certain group of people and are discriminating against them. we dont smoke to piss non- smokers off. we smoke because we enjoy it.

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