I think everything was summed up well.
Personally what I would just like to add is that what I believe protesters are mad about is the way Bush has handled the post-9/11 era. It's been documented that the night of 9/11 Bush stated that he wanted to go after Iraq, and that this would be a perfect chance. How do you decide that Iraq is the target, when they have no part in the matter?
The answer to this is easy. Let's face it, Bush Sr. failed at getting Saddam when he had a chance. I'm very sure that Bush jr. was looking to complete the job his dad started. This isn't a national vendetta, it was personal. Fortunately for Bush he has a couple people around him who know a hell of a lot more about foreign policy than he does, and they told him the only way to get to Iraq would be to first go after Bin Laden and the Taliban. This is obvious. Even more obvious when you see that Bush moved on from Bin Laden even though he wasn't dead or captured. That was his publicly admitted goal: To get Bin Laden. Behind the scenes was another story.
Bush knew he just had to wait it out. The bush's themselves are with the Bin Laden family, and in fact Bush sr. was in a meeting with a Bin Laden the morning of sept 11. They also got all the Bin Laden's together and shipped them out of the country as soon as possible. Why? Wouldn't it have been smart to detain and question them? I mean these people are Osama's blood.
So now Osama still hasn't been caught, but because he's "on the run", it's alright to move on. Now you can cue the "Axis of Evil" speech. This led the way to many lies, but luckily for Bush, most Americans didn't seem to care. Iraq is then attacked.
If you'd like we can talk about Bush's love for oil, and how ironically Iraq is among the world leaders in oil production, but that would just tell us all something that we already know, and it's a pretty obvious link to why he would want to help "liberate" the Iraqi people.
Let's face it. This isn't about what Bush says it's about. Its economics. He wants Iraq to be a democracy so that way they can be opened up to the market. It's not about liberating people. It's about putting a Starbucks on every corner in Baghdad. He said in his speech that newspapers are now circulating, and reporting whatever news they would like to report. My question is how long till these small papers are bought by some American Tycoon, and the Baghdad Bugle appears? My bet, is by the end of the decade, if not by 2007.
Another question I have is why is democracy the answer? It works here (and as we even see in this very message board, it's disagreed with), but who's to say it works in other countries? The fact is it doesn't. Many countries can't make it work. Even in the last 20 years we've found examples of democracies gone wrong. I recently read an article on this in my politics course, but unfortunately can't find it online. If I can find a scanner I will be sure to photocopy it and put it up, cause it's worth the read.
Maybe Bush's best speech to date!!!
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by nelison » 11/20/2003, 10:35 am
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
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by happening fish » 11/20/2003, 1:28 pm
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by nelison » 11/20/2003, 3:13 pm
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
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by I AM ME » 11/21/2003, 12:16 am
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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by Bandalero » 11/21/2003, 2:03 pm
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
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by I AM ME » 11/21/2003, 5:38 pm
just to add to what reno said, Osama considered Saddam a Infidel, and they didn't get along..
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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by nelison » 11/24/2003, 12:13 am
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
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