Is america the new USSR?

[liam]

no america is not the USSR

[Sufjan Stevens]

[wanan]

[doug]

Where is that guy who wanted proof that FDR knew about pearl harbour?

taken from MSN ENCARTA:

"The U.S. authorities had broken the Japanese diplomatic code and knew an attack was imminent. A warning had been sent from Washington, but, owing to delays in transmission, it arrived after the raid had begun."

and alan is right, Stalingrad is the reason the allies won the war. Stalingrad was the turning of the tide, it was the battle where the german armies stopped advancing and started retreating.

[Venom]

[doug]

[Venom]

[Sufjan Stevens]

Wow, you really are stupid. America joined at the end with the Germans already falling apart. We joined at the end, fought two major battles, killed a bunch of innocent Japanese people, and we're suddenly the reason WWII went the way it did. How about you pull your head out of your ass and realize there were other people involved with the war that did much more before the US joined. Jesus.

[Bandalero]

[Venom]

[Venom]

[Sufjan Stevens]

You just described yourself right there. You never provide any links to show me your information. You constantly flame on anyone that opposes your views and you make sensational claims like saying I wanted the people that died in the World Trade Center building dead because I didn't want to hear about 9/11 everyday of my life. You're the one that seems to have no real grasp on history. I get my information from text books that are sitting in my room that I had to read in high school. I don't think the book that was issued to all high schools across America for the AP US History exam would lie to me about this. I think I am going to believe what my books say, rather than your unfounded words.

Yes, Europe wasn't dominating Germany in WWII before the US joined. But the fact of the matter is, the Russians kicked the shit out of the Germans before the US joined the war. That gave everyone in the war hope that they could beat the Germans and sent the Germans reeling, not to mention their army was so stretched out across the globe they didn't have the forces to fight everyone at once. If the Germans sent out all their troops, the magical United States wouldn't have made a difference in this war. But the fact of the matter is, the German army was in 10 different places fighting different wars. I doubt we would have won the Battle of Normandy if the Germans had a complete army there.

I am not going to discuss Japan with you until you will admit that Roosevelt previously knew that the attack on Pearl Harbor was going to happen. It's published in major texts everywhere, and you still choose to deny it. I am not going to bother with this subject because you're too stubborn to realize that it's a well-known fact that this was no surprise attack. Just because a love movie says it was doesn't mean it's true.

I'm done talking to you Venom. You're not worth the effort to carry a discussion. You don't do anything but yell at people and make outrageous claims that have absolutely no evidence to back it up. Until you're willing to listen to people without flaming on them, I'm not going to bother with you. You're too frustrating.

[Venom]

[Sufjan Stevens]

OK, terrorists specifically said they would attack on 9/11. That was on the national news a week after 9/11 happened. You should know this, you live in New York.

And that post is the exact reason I refuse to discuss anything with you anymore. Instead of taking my points and giving me evidence proving me wrong, you think it's easier just to say my facts are asenine, not to mention saying that the Russian impact in the war was null and void because they lost millions of people. I am confident that if America joined in the beginning, we'd have lost just as many people, not to mention that there was a good chance Germany would have won the war.

[I AM ME]

[Venom]

[doug]

[doug]

Venom, let it drop. You got into the war in Europe a year and a half before it ended. By then the Russians were kicking hitler out of stalingrad. The Americans defeated the Japanese, who are on the other side of the CONTINENT from Germany.

It doesn't matter what "could/would" have happened had america joined the war earlier. the point is, history is history and the facts read like this:

the main aggressor nation against europe was Germany, not Japan or Italy.
Germany was most successful from 1939-1941. On decemeber 6, 1941 a full twenty four hours before pearl harbour and five days before the germans declared war on the USA, THE RUSSIANS BEGAN THEIR COUNTERATTACK.

No american had set foot in europe or piloted a war plane or even thought about hitler yet.

In July of 1942, while the americans were busy bombing japan, the russians made their stand at STALINGRAD.

Nobody is trying to diminish the contribution the united states army made to world war II. however, they would not have been able to topple Germany on their own as you seem to believe. The whole reason FDR allowed pearl harbour to happen was that HE FEARED HITLER. he did not want to be alone in the world with Germany after the war.

Lucky for him, his communist brothers helped him out.

[Venom]

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