OCCUPY WALL STREET - October 15th 2011

[DG]

I wasn't a big fan of the organizers of OccupyMN. They kept making a big deal about tents on the grounds than the actual cause of OWS. The authorities that be said that they didn't want tents because they couldn't see what was going on inside for safety of everyone

What did the protesters do? Make a bunch of makeshift "Transparent Structures", which were tents made of clear plastic.


Got some video. Haven't scrubbed through it yet. Hopefully I got some good stuff for TW. Looking forward to seeing the outcome.


EDIT: And Now the police are tearing down the tents. If they just would have followed the rules they agreed to... you know, the no tents rule. Thanks god I was only there for a few hours.

[ClumsyGirl618]

Raine discussing the Occupy Movement on City TV: Ignore the typo in his name on their site. oops. lol


http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/videos/161364

P.S. He looks tired...

[emlapal]

When I look at the Occupy Wallstreet protesters what I, along with most Americans, see people who are, for the most part, either lost, lonely or uninformed. If you asked 10 different protesters why they were there you'd get about 9 different answers. There is no cohesive message. Bascally if you are unhappy about anything, just show up.

These relatively small protests represent not the 99% but rather the 1 or 2% of folks who simply want handouts. Raine states in his interview that these protests have something to do with the environment. Huh? They do? How does Occupy Wallstreet, which was supposidly a movement to redistribute wealth suddenly become a tree huggers love fest?

Raine also speaks of folks who have large student loans to pay back. Should we feel sorry for them? Should others pay the money back for them? My guess is that when the signed the paperwork for the loans nobody was holding a gun to their head. Meanwhile he states the others are worried about taking loans for college; if you feel you are not going to be able to pay back the money, don't take the loan. It's that simple. Or, take the loan, work really hard, pay the money back or do the best you can to try to but don't whine about it.

The bottom line here is that large corporations are not the problem. Large corporations employ thousands and thousands of workers in most cases. Where would we be without them? Jobless...that's where. What these protesters lack is an education in basic economics. They see the "pie" as finite. It is not finite. The pie will grow if people are willling to work hard enough to make it grow. These misguided folks belive that some of the "rich" people should have their hard earned wealth taken from them and have it given to those who have less. Anybody see a problem with this type of thinking? First of all, it is stealing. Secondly, wouldn't it be better to let these "evil" corporations make even more money but while doing so, have them hire more people and eventually increase wages as profits rise? What good would it do to topple say, GM? Not much...

And as a big OLP fan, I hate to say it, but my guess is big corporations proly helped OLP get where they are now.

Following is a website for taxpayers:

http://the53.tumblr.com/

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[ClumsyGirl618]

[todddowney]

For Maida, he sees Occupy as primarily a call for transparency and accountability for those in power.

"This is just about having a voice and not letting the policy-makers who are in bed with the bigger corporations dictate what happens to democracy," said Maida, who said that Our Lady Peace has almost finished work on a new album but he isn't sure when it will be released.

Hahahaha!

[Trustworthy]

occupy wall street (dreamed up by adbusters in vancouver actually) is where this movement spawned from, now it has evolved into the pursuit of global change - anyone who thinks this is about giving handouts to lazy people - or taking down big corporations and crushing capitalism is just ignorant and making a sweeping generalization based on the same tired rhetoric coming out of most of the major media outlets.

If you have been to an occupy event you would see that 98% of anything you have heard in the media is complete and utter bullshit - these events brought people from all walks of life, from all economic backgrounds, all races, all colours and all creeds out for one reason - to affect change on this planet, change in anything they feel needs it - this movement is not about picking a side, or picking political stance, it is about standing up for what you believe is an injustice taking place. Its about saying fuck apathy and getting off your asses to take a stand and let the world know you have issues with how it is run - whether that be losing 50% of the worth of your house because of an overvalued market and sketchy opportunistic loan - a loan from the same institutions that crushed the economy and the hopes and dreams of millions on a global level - whether it be in rgards to mega corps raping the enviroment with little or no accountably, whether it be taking issue with the plight of native americans / first nation people - whether it be because of high tuition rates and the fact that in order to get a good job you need good schooling but to get good schooling you need a good job, owhether its the fact that a good number of relgular joes paid more tax last year than some fortune 500 companies - or maybe it s because we are brought up to believe we all need to have a family, a home, a car and live" the dream", even though once you do there is no end in sight to the debt and financial burdens that will eventually be forced on you simply because the powers at be don't have a fucking clue what they are doing any more.

Honestly, anyone who cannot see the world is a really fucked up place, see that the divide has become bigger than it ever has been in human history, unemployment is the highest it has ever been since the great depression, all while select individuals and corporations are making more money than has ever made since the dawn of time - and then has the gaul to not take issue but instead just sit on their computer spewing the same bullshit they heard on big media is 100% part of the problem! Apathy got us to this point, occupy is about finally doing something about it and taking a stand.

It is easy to sit back and say "get a better job, don't be lazy, dont have kids if you cant afford them, dont go to school if you cant afford it" etc etc - but by saying that you are stifling freedom of choice and expression - we should all be able to live out our dreams and have the best chance at life without having to worry about how some system based on backroom deals, lobbyists, imaginary social/economic/ job security and virtually non existent reserves will fuck us over in the future.

Anyway, I have spent my last 5 days dealing with this and to be honest I'm getting kinda sick of it - i know why the guys did this and I know why i am backing them on this full force. The motives are pure and just like any of the other 7 billion people on this planet, they are well with in their rights to stand up and express their views, concerns and frustration with this world, the very same world we all live in, without being slammed for doing so...in reality it's just an opinion and some of the things I have read and seen directed towards OLP in regards to their support of this movement and voicing their opinions are simply disturbing.

Like I said any negativity that comes of this is 100% based on ignorance, there is no other explanation and there is nothing that can be said to the contrary. Passing judgement on ANYONE based on their beliefs, opinions or expression is about the most dangerous and usless thing we as human beings can do.

it's ok to disagree and have your own opinion, hell that's what a big part of this whole movement is about - but ostracizing and promoting hateful messaging and hurtful sentiments based on another individuals is in short, fucking pathetic.


so yeah, now you got my take on it weeeeee! I shall resume fighting the good fight and leave the political banter to bill mahr

[emlapal]

Trustworthy said:

Like I said any negativity that comes of this is 100% based on ignorance, there is no other explanation and there is nothing that can be said to the contrary.

Then he said:

it's ok to disagree and have your own opinion

So let me gget this straight...if I may:

I am allowed to have an opinion but if it is different from yours it is completely ignorant and nothing can be said to the contrary. Hmmm...something about that sounds kinda...odd. So what you are saying then is I'm ignorant but you are allowing me to have an opinion anyway? Cool....thanks for that. (So much for open mindedness of the Occupiers).

Since you are allowing the ignorant to have an opinion, I'll take full advantage. In your diatribe, eloquente as it was, you never mention a goal or how to achieve a goal. Sure, you are out there protesting things you dislike but what do you expect to come of it? Really, what are your expectations? Are you expecting the corporations to shut down? Should the CEO's vacate their positions and walk out into the street and hand you piles of money as they tell their 25,000 employees they not longer have jobs because a few thousand whiners don't like how things are going for them?

The truth of the matter is that the Occupiers (hey..I thought libs hated occupiers) are causing more problems then they are helping to resolve...which is zero. Where do we start? How about the millions it is costing taxpayers in overtime pay for the police to control these mobs. Do you have an answer for how you are going to pay that bill? How about the crime that is taking place across the country by the Occupiers? Want some examples? Here ya go:

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/132064518.html
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/132064518.html
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manh ... rGPCaZaLRK

As for the last story, you can not help but laugh at the irony here; people who are supposedly protesting greed are getting ripped off by fellow protesters and moreover, their laptops etc. are getting stolen too...you know the laptops made by evil corporations like Dell and Apple. By the way, it must suck for all the Occupiers to have to bow down to the corporations to Tweet, post and email on their corporate made devices, while they are wearing their Nike's and sipping on Starbucks as they wait for the next McDonald's run.

[DG]

[todddowney]

There's still going to be a record, right?

[LifeRiot]

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[Trustworthy]

[Trustworthy]

[xjsb125]

I'm moving this to the political discussion forum, where it is better suited.