scarcity. the fact that i want it.
money today is based on gold.
Jean Chrétien and Carolyn Parrish are Poo Poo Heads
by Bandalero » 3/10/2003, 8:25 pm
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
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by nelison » 3/10/2003, 10:07 pm
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
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by I AM ME » 3/10/2003, 10:44 pm
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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by mosaik » 3/11/2003, 10:07 am
re: the schools.
education is like any other service. it can be provided for profit as long as their is a need. if you want to learn math, and i know math, i will teach it to you. for ten bucks an hour. if you (my consumer) thinks $10/hour is too high, i will lower the price until we reach the price point where the consumer can afford the service and the producer can still make a profit. if another person, say Corey, needs to learn math and i can't teach him because i'm teaching you, then before you can draw up your times tables somebody else will be in the teaching business.
that's the way the free market works. as long as there is need, capitalists will flock to fill the need and get rich.
the beauty of being an individualist society is that we don't trade with other nations as a society, just as individuals. if you want some kickin' dutch cheese, your government doesn't buy it for you and then sell it back to you - you buy it. if you want a certain raw material that comes from another country, you make the arrangements. tell me why i can go to holland now and buy some round cheese, but if canada was a free/anarchist country, i couldn't?
education is like any other service. it can be provided for profit as long as their is a need. if you want to learn math, and i know math, i will teach it to you. for ten bucks an hour. if you (my consumer) thinks $10/hour is too high, i will lower the price until we reach the price point where the consumer can afford the service and the producer can still make a profit. if another person, say Corey, needs to learn math and i can't teach him because i'm teaching you, then before you can draw up your times tables somebody else will be in the teaching business.
that's the way the free market works. as long as there is need, capitalists will flock to fill the need and get rich.
the beauty of being an individualist society is that we don't trade with other nations as a society, just as individuals. if you want some kickin' dutch cheese, your government doesn't buy it for you and then sell it back to you - you buy it. if you want a certain raw material that comes from another country, you make the arrangements. tell me why i can go to holland now and buy some round cheese, but if canada was a free/anarchist country, i couldn't?
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by Bandalero » 3/11/2003, 4:54 pm
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
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by mosaik » 3/11/2003, 5:11 pm
corey, without politiks, there is no power. in a world where all men are equal, and judged on their ability only, no man would have dominion over another.
in market anarchism, the only advantage to being rich is that it opens more doors. it does not allow you to take control of others lives. a government is the only body that takes control of your life and enfores it's will under pain and penalty of death. If you want to quit your job, your boss is not going to shoot you. Try "quitting" the united states and see how long you live.
the principle of majority rule is morally flawed because it assumes that by joining a larger number then i have, my rights in a disagreement with you suddenly vanish.
examples:
we're working on a school project in a group of four. 3 people vote to make the project about third world debt. I vote for a project about the ability of the individual to succeed. According to you, the 3 have rights whereas i have none simply because there are more of them. Therefore, they are right, and i am not.
let's take it to another forum. This time it's a group of 3 white men and one mexican. The white guys decide they want to beat up the mexican. 3 votes to one. Majority rules.
re: the TV example
according to my views, the guy who owns the TV picks what we watch.
corey, if you want a pet rock, you pay the guy what you think is fair. you don't just make up your own currency and pay him with that because he wouldn't accept it. You barter. you give up something of value.
einstein's contributions to the invention of the bomb didn't cause the americans to drop it. my building a strip club near your neighborhood won't force your kids to become sexual predators.
you are accountable for your own actions.
now how about you respond to some of my questions about demockracy?
why don't you explain to me, rationally, how the use of force is acceptable. Rationally defend the double standards that the government you believe in rules by.
in market anarchism, the only advantage to being rich is that it opens more doors. it does not allow you to take control of others lives. a government is the only body that takes control of your life and enfores it's will under pain and penalty of death. If you want to quit your job, your boss is not going to shoot you. Try "quitting" the united states and see how long you live.
the principle of majority rule is morally flawed because it assumes that by joining a larger number then i have, my rights in a disagreement with you suddenly vanish.
examples:
we're working on a school project in a group of four. 3 people vote to make the project about third world debt. I vote for a project about the ability of the individual to succeed. According to you, the 3 have rights whereas i have none simply because there are more of them. Therefore, they are right, and i am not.
let's take it to another forum. This time it's a group of 3 white men and one mexican. The white guys decide they want to beat up the mexican. 3 votes to one. Majority rules.
re: the TV example
according to my views, the guy who owns the TV picks what we watch.
corey, if you want a pet rock, you pay the guy what you think is fair. you don't just make up your own currency and pay him with that because he wouldn't accept it. You barter. you give up something of value.
einstein's contributions to the invention of the bomb didn't cause the americans to drop it. my building a strip club near your neighborhood won't force your kids to become sexual predators.
you are accountable for your own actions.
now how about you respond to some of my questions about demockracy?
why don't you explain to me, rationally, how the use of force is acceptable. Rationally defend the double standards that the government you believe in rules by.
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by mosaik » 3/11/2003, 5:17 pm
reno, the minority is me. I don't want to pay taxes, drive the speed limit, be arrested for drug use or soliciting prositutes.
i don't want to be drafted or have my business regulated.
how does your republic represent me? and what justification is there for not allowing me to practice my beliefs?
re: taxes
i didn't ask them for any of those services. i would rather pay a private enterpriser a user fee everytime i drive on his road rather then pay the government 365 days a year for services i quite often don't use. I have a feeling it would be cheaper.
if i walk up to you in the street and hit you over the head, steal your wallet and then use a portion of your money to buy you a new tie and fill your car with gas, did i still rob you?
is it still theft if the portion that i didn't use to buy you things was given to a poor family to help them get by?
how is what i did any different from what the IRS does?
i am still waiting on your rational justification of the use of force to coerce me to pay taxes and obey laws that i don't believe in. furthermore, tell me why your opinion is better then mine.
or not your opinion, but that of the government. they think i should pay taxes. i think i shouldn't. why are they right?
i don't want to be drafted or have my business regulated.
how does your republic represent me? and what justification is there for not allowing me to practice my beliefs?
re: taxes
i didn't ask them for any of those services. i would rather pay a private enterpriser a user fee everytime i drive on his road rather then pay the government 365 days a year for services i quite often don't use. I have a feeling it would be cheaper.
if i walk up to you in the street and hit you over the head, steal your wallet and then use a portion of your money to buy you a new tie and fill your car with gas, did i still rob you?
is it still theft if the portion that i didn't use to buy you things was given to a poor family to help them get by?
how is what i did any different from what the IRS does?
i am still waiting on your rational justification of the use of force to coerce me to pay taxes and obey laws that i don't believe in. furthermore, tell me why your opinion is better then mine.
or not your opinion, but that of the government. they think i should pay taxes. i think i shouldn't. why are they right?
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by Bandalero » 3/11/2003, 5:19 pm
but if that mexican were Julio Cesar Chavez (IN HIS PRIME) and all 4 would live in an anarchy society, he's gonna kick all three asses. why? because he "stronger" and more skilled in the art of Pugalism.
I hade to sneak in some boxing somewhere in this thread.
I hade to sneak in some boxing somewhere in this thread.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
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by Bandalero » 3/11/2003, 5:37 pm
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
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by nelison » 3/11/2003, 7:31 pm
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
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