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Re: theodicy
by Narbus » 11/30/2003, 11:25 pm
You can't go around building a better world for people. Only people can build a better world for people. Otherwise it's just a cage.
--Terry Pratchett
When it's cold I'd like to die
--Terry Pratchett
When it's cold I'd like to die
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by One-Eye » 11/30/2003, 11:29 pm
Good point. Okay, the two major definitions: 1) "Acts of God" like earthquakes/volcanos/hurricanes/etc. 2) The tendency of people to hurt other people physically, emotionally, psychologically, sexually, etc. (I don't buy the free will argument, because most people want to do good but end up doing cruel things anyway; also, humans didn't invent cruelty, so if there's a god who created everything, he must have also created evil, making him, at least in part, evil).
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by Narbus » 12/1/2003, 12:21 am
How is an "act of God" evil? It sucks, yes, but it's just the eventual result of the systems of weather and techtonic motion. It's in no way sentient, so there's no intent behind it, so there's no "evil." It just is.
For the second part, let's say I rob a store, and during the trial two jurors fall in love and marry. So you'd classify my act as evil, but the end result produced something good. So which is it?
For the second part, let's say I rob a store, and during the trial two jurors fall in love and marry. So you'd classify my act as evil, but the end result produced something good. So which is it?
You can't go around building a better world for people. Only people can build a better world for people. Otherwise it's just a cage.
--Terry Pratchett
When it's cold I'd like to die
--Terry Pratchett
When it's cold I'd like to die
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by Sufjan Stevens » 12/1/2003, 1:47 pm
I faced death. I went in with my arms swinging. But I heard my own breath and had to face that I'm still living. I'm still flesh. I hold on to awful feelings. I'm not dead... My chest still draws breath. I hold it. I'm buoyant. There's no end.
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by doug » 12/1/2003, 2:01 pm
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by Axtech » 12/1/2003, 2:36 pm
Mmm, philosophy. I think I'll stay out of this one, though. Not having an answer myself, the only thing I could really do is spew different philosopher's theories. Then find flaws in them and wish I hadn't spewed them.
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by Solidarity 9-6347 » 12/1/2003, 11:11 pm
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by Bandalero » 12/2/2003, 11:55 pm
whoa Aerin, you got it in for god bad. 
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
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by The Post Modern » 12/4/2003, 12:55 am
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by trentm32 » 12/9/2003, 2:27 pm
"When looking up there, I just felt whole, like I belonged. Like one day I too would shine my most brilliant. Sitting there also made me think about sitting through services at my little country church back home. About that never-changing congregation of the same sixty-seven people and everyone has known you since before you were born. Now, out here in the real world, everything just seemed more vivid than when I used to sit in that little pew. That pew that was now so, so far away from where I was. I feared I had somehow left God behind there, too. I feared he was somehow just sitting there, saving my seat on the fifth pew from the front row, just waiting on me to come back. I left so quickly, I worried that he may not have noticed I was gone. And, now, I’m just too far away to find. So he’s just sitting there, patiently waiting on me to come back. I closed my eyes and prayed a moment. I hoped more than anything that he could still hear me." -an excerpt from my novella, A Sea of Fallen Leaves.
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