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xchrisx wrote:no, my argument is that it's up to us how we punish various criminals.

Because we don't think certain crimes are as severe, they should receive lesser punishments?

there is no degree in wrongness. however, what i said was not that there was, merely that we are not bound to punish a theif and killer the same way.

principle of compensation.

You're not making sense, "wrong is wrong, but some wrongs deserve more punishment than others"? That's pretty ...

I do believe that there is absolute morality. It is a function of the conituned application of reasonable thoughts. when you look at a situation that has moral value, one side must be right and the other must be wrong. they cannot both be wrong - that is a contradiction. according to reason ...

so damacus, it is your position that morality is defined by whoever is strongest, that there is no absolute morality, there is no right and wrong, and that the only absolute is physical power?

then we are done. been nice talking to you. i cannot reason with the unreasonable, and i cannot debate ...

You may percieve the amount of light in the room to be too little for your liking, but that does not change the amount of light in the room.

you may say that 0C is cold whereas someone else may disagree. that does not change the fact that it is zero degrees out.

You may think a person is driving ...

Damacus - all my proofs, all my beliefs, and everything i know stems from the truth that men are rational creatures. all men have the capacity to be reasonable. some will choose to ignore it.

I tend to think others have a different line of rationality, due to different values


Therefore, do not ...

Axtech wrote:A man has broken in to your house, and you both have guns at each others heads. I think it's necessary to pull the trigger, don't you?

It's in my best interests to, but it's not required I do. Necessary implies I have no other option when clearly I do.

whenyoukissedme wrote:killing is still WRONG even if you think it is necessary.

right and necessary are two different things.

Nothing is nesessary, everything is the lesser of two evils and is all based on perception.

this is my point: reality is not affected by perception. as you yourself just admitted, two objects cannot be the same. even if you percieve them to be the same, they have objective characteristics that exist in reality, and those are not affected by perception. A is A, it cannot be B, for it is A ...

once again, if morality is realitve, on what grounds does society punish the baby killer? are you now saying it is okay for society to force it's morals on others?

No, but the same right the killer had to kill the baby is the same right society has to punish him

the concept of majority rule ...

in automobile accidents, one person is always at fault. the responsibility, therefore, for the deaths of the people involved fall on the shoulders of that person, not the owner of the road.

by your same reasoning, the government is responsible for every automotive death that occurs on the road ...

that is because mine are objective. you willingly admit that your "morals" are based on the perspective of other people. is murder right or wrong? it depends.

i on the other hand base mine on objective thought.

That's my point, there is no such thing as objective thought, your own feelings and ...

so, that's a no, his skin cannot be two opposite colors at once?

That is what I said


no, it doesn't. you are either an idiot or a genius. my saying you are an idiot does not make so, nor does my saying you are a genius. you are not both simply because you have been called both.

Well then ...

hook, line, and sinker.

so you admit that the blacks are not inferior to white people? so wouldn't that make the beliefs of the KKK and southern slave owning population wrong? or are you going back on that now and saying black people are inferior? or are you going to tell me that they're both ...

we are asking if it is possible for an individual in a population to be two opposites at the same time, like, is it possible for my brother's white skin to also be black?

No, as I stated, you can fit any two things into any criteria to make them fit, or not fit. Right and wrong are not black and ...

look asshole i know a few black guys and i can assure you that they are no way in any way shape or form inferior to you or anyone of your honky tonk buddies. so drop the shit. if i read another post from you wherein you imply or outright state that blacks are inferior to whites i'm going to block ...

notice, damacus, that i did not compare apples and oranges. i asked if an object that can in fact be one thing and the opposite of that thing at the same time.[/b]

And I stated nothing is opposite, everything can be grouped in some way to make them the same, it all depends on the variable you use ...

"Are you aware most of the world disagrees with you?"

i could give a shit. most of the world is wrong. i am right. you said so yourself.

So, even though everyone else, even people smarter than you, disagree, you'll still stand by your guns?

That's interesting, because that's exactly the ...

go outside and look around and you'll see the proof of what i am talking about. reality cannot be modified by your thoughts. go ahead and try it for yourself. believe you have a new car on the driveway of your place and see what happens.


But my opinions can be modified, can they not? Right and ...

YourJesus wrote:damacus. read my most recent post to narbus.

I did, and responded to a few points in it